Questions for the next step in TTC testing

[GirlieCat]

Hi Ladies, need some help and advice.
I am 35 years and trying for baby #1. I have been off birth control pills for 8 months (6 cycles) and still no BFP so I am going back to my doctor for more test and questions. I want to go into my next appointment with as much information as possible so I have some questions.

I have PCOS tendencies like irregular periods and hormone imbalances (high T especially), but no insulin resistance. I was put on Metformin in June after blood work showed my hormones were wonky. I like it a lot and it has helped shorten my cycles and also they seem to be more regular now (average 35 days). Last cycle was my first cycle on clomid but still BFN. I just started AF so today is cd1 for me.

Doctor ordered an ultrasound for tomorrow, which I have never gotten before. I am eager to see what my insides look like and if that shows any issues. I am particular interested to see if I have cysts. (won't get results for a week- weird to me but whatever)

So my questions are this:

*Should I ask for the cd3 hormone test for FSH, inhibin B and other hormones to check my ovarian reserve? Would this test be thrown off because my last cycle I was on clomid and it might still be affecting my hormones? I am frustrated my doctor never checked this before, she only did 7dpo blood work.

*Can the ultrasound show my ovarian reserve as accurately as blood work? Will that be thrown off by my last clomid cycle too?

*Should I hold off on a second cycle on clomid until the results of my ultrasound and/or cd3 hormone test comes back? If I do go a second cycle, should it be at 50mg again or increase to 100mg?

*I got no noticeable EWCM this last cycle on clomid. I had moisture, but more watery not thick or EW. Could this have played a part in why I didn’t get my BFP this cycle? I have always gotten one day of EWCM on my non-clomid cycles. Is there something I can do on my next clomid cycle to improve my CM?

*Since being off BC, all my cycles AF has been very short and very light. I get spotting, then no more than 12 hours of actual real blood flow and then back to spotting for another half a day or so. From first notice of spotting to all is clean again and I don’t even need a pantiliner is no more than 48 hours. I have told doc this multiple times and she doesn’t seem to even care. Am I wrong to think this would indicate something wrong with my lining? What other reasons would lead to such little bleeding?

*How do I check for the health of my uterine lining and thickness? Is that by ultrasound and what cd? What improves uterine lining?

I am trying not to be impatient because I know 8 months is not that long compared to woman who try for years, but based on my PCOS tendencies and age I just want to do what tests I can now so I can feel confident moving forward. Hubby has appointment for a sperm analysis in two weeks too.

THANK YOU for listening and any guidance you can give.

[nuthinbutpink]

What is your BMI? I think that is plenty of time TTC to seek help. Have they done a day 21 progesterone test and u/s to confirm you are ovulating? AMH test?

[Burakoam]

How long were you on birth control as a whole? And as for your CM issue on clomid I would use pre seed. I promise it's just as possible to get a girl with pre seed as it is a boy as my first cycle on clomid I used pre seed and got my wonderful DD3.

Your hormones would reveal a thinner than average uterine lining because estrogen is needed to build it up. If your T levels are high I do believe it's possible your body is converting too much estrogen into T and that could be a problem. I think however if your estrogen doesn't drop enough when it's already high that could also cause it to seem your lining is light and thin during a period when in reality it just didn't drop enough to bring on the heavy bleeding.

What's interesting to me is metaformin is usually specifically for insulin based PCOS. If it's helping I'd be more concerned maybe they missed something. No family history of diabetes? You had a fasting glucose test recently to confirm you have no insulin issues?

[GirlieCat]

I am 125 pounds at 5'5" so BMI or about 20-21. I gained about 5 pounds the first few months off BC but then dropped that and dropped another 5 pounds since being on the LE diet and metformin.

I had blood work done at cd26, which for me was about 5dpo that cycle. Doc said my progesterone was okay, maybe a bit low but that she thought that I probably ovulated (but honestly I think my doctor is not all that wonderful so I don't trust her very much). On that test my estradiol was high and my testosterone was very high. That is when she put me on the metformin. I haven't had any more blood work to confirm if the met is working (but I think it is because I feel so much different and PMS is not nearly as bad as before).

I have not had the AMH test (never heard of it).

[GirlieCat]

How long were you on birth control as a whole? And as for your CM issue on clomid I would use pre seed. I promise it's just as possible to get a girl with pre seed as it is a boy as my first cycle on clomid I used pre seed and got my wonderful DD3.

Your hormones would reveal a thinner than average uterine lining because estrogen is needed to build it up. If your T levels are high I do believe it's possible your body is converting too much estrogen into T and that could be a problem. I think however if your estrogen doesn't drop enough when it's already high that could also cause it to seem your lining is light and thin during a period when in reality it just didn't drop enough to bring on the heavy bleeding.

What's interesting to me is metaformin is usually specifically for insulin based PCOS. If it's helping I'd be more concerned maybe they missed something. No family history of diabetes? You had a fasting glucose test recently to confirm you have no insulin issues?

Hi Burakoam- I was on the pill off and on for a year or two in early 20's, then consistently for about 7 years then got off it for a year to try a non hormonal IUD (that was the worst year of my life...), then got IUD out and was back on for 5 1/2 years before stopping in January 2016. So total...about 13 or 14 years out of the last 16 years.

I will definitely look into the pre-seed. Interesting about the estrogen and T levels and that I just might not be bleeding off the lining. Would that make my lining old and unhealthy if it is not being shed and replaced with new each month?

I just posted a response to nuthingbutpink that my estrogen and T levels were over the high limit on my last blood work. That same test they did a fasting glucose test and it all came back within normal range. I am not overweight either, but being on the BC so long that could have been controlling it. I know the metformin is usually for insulin resistance, but I was told that is because it changes your hormones which affect insulin so even if you don't have IR it can still help control hormones and balance things out. I am going to ask for another blood test 5-7dpo this cycle so I can compare the numbers with my last test that I took before I started on the met.

[Dreamsister]

Dear GielieCat. You still have planty of time so don't worry, but it is good you adress your problem now and seek professionel help to reveal why your are not falling pregnant. Here in Denmark they always do bloodwork to see your hormonal status on bleeding day 1, 2 or 3. They take a variety of blood that (alongside with a scan) will tell you everything you need to know about ovarian reserve, your ability to produce sex hormone ect. I hope you get answers soon.


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[nuthinbutpink]

Is the day 26 tests the only test you have had? No day 3?

[GirlieCat]

Is the day 26 tests the only test you have had? No day 3?

yes, the only blood draw was the cd26. I have not had a day 3 test yet, but I have a call into my doc to order that now since tomorrow is day 3. Will day 3 tests be thrown off since I was on clomid last cycle? I was on 50mg cd 3-7 of a 35 day cycle so it has been 30 days since I took the last pill.

Side note- AF is already gone completely. Total was less than 30 hours from spotting to fully clear, if you take out the spotting then I had actual flow for only about 12 hours. So frustrating.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes you need the blood work. I would call and ask them about the Clomid because they may instead prefer to do something called "Clomid Challenge test" which is actually more informative than the CD 3 test anyway and you would then take the Clomid this month and have the test done later in the month.

Ultrasound is not anywhere near as helpful as the blood work and that CAN be skewed by the Clomid. Do remind them when you go in for your results that you were on Clomid last month.

If you are not getting ultrasound monitoring to see how many eggs you make on Clomid, I do not recommend taking mroe than 50. It may make you conceive multiples.

I would recommend doing guanefesin instead of Preseed for your CM. Guanefesin affects your whole system even up inside where Preseed cannot go. Yes, a lack of CM can inhibit odds of conception.

Many of us notice short, light periods when swaying. I got my daughter the month after a period exactly like you describe. What you have to remember is that this month's period doesn't tell you about next month's lining. cAn you tell me more about your diet so I can advise you?? Drop fiber if you are taking it.

You would need ultrasound to check your lining. The best way to help your lining is supplemental estrogen given by your doctor. we do have some DIY methods but I don't think any of them even do much if anything.

[GirlieCat]

Hi Atomic, thank you for responding to my questions. I had my ultrasound yesterday and my cd3 blood work today. I will have the results of both next week. It is probably too late for the clomid challenge this cycle but I will ask about that. I am pretty frustrated with this doctor and really don't like her. I don't know why she didn't order this cd3 blood work 6 months ago. I went to her a year ago before I ever stopped BC to talk about being prepared to TTC knowing I have hormone issues. Nothing I can do now about the past, but I am going to the RE if this weeks appointment with this normal OB goes bad.

I will look into the Guanefesin. What cycle days do I take it?

The light cycles can't just be from swaying because I have only been on LE for 11 weeks but my AF has been short and light every cycle for the whole 8 months I have been off birth control. Maybe LE is making it worse though because this cycle was the shortest and lightest by far. Would such small amount of blood mean the lining was thin? Or does it mean the hormones that should have triggers the bleed were not present as they should? (Maybe the ultrasound and blood work will answer that too).

I am really on a very simple sway. I am doing vegetarian, 1500-1800 calories, skipping breakfast, 2 meals a day- lunch and dinner- and occasionally a snack at night, I do not snack any other time, 1600 folate, 1000 Metformin, couch potato, and last cycle did e4d pattern. I lost some weight before I started swaying with this site and then a little more when I started LE diet but have been mindful to keep steady at my current weight the last 6 weeks since I am now at BMI of 20-21 and don't want to lose more.

Not having anything to do with TTC, I don't drink alcohol or coffee or any caffeine at all so I can't incorporate those into my sway.

Other than going vegetarian I basically eat the same foods I ate before swaying but just staying within limits. I am a very picky eater so my options are pretty limited. I have wondered if it matters if I eat wheat or white breads and white vs brown rice? I switch back and forth now and eat both. Also what kinds of milk or dairy? Some threads say low fat and other say whole milk so I am not sure which applies to my situation.

Thanks.