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    HOW TO USE SOY ISOFLAVONES AS CLOMID

    Soy isoflavones are SERMs, or Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators - they bind weakly with estrogen receptors and compete with the body's natural supply of estrogen to do so. Clomid is also a SERM. Some people believe that soy isoflavones function in the same way to block estrogen receptors as Clomid.

    HOW DOES SOY/CLOMID WORK ANYWAY? (please read http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ghlight=clomid for more about this)

    SERMs like soy and Clomid bind to the estrogen receptor cells in your hypothalamus and block them. If your estrogen receptor cells are blocked, your brain doesn’t get the signal from the estrogen. Your estrogen levels aren't really low, your body just "believes" that they are and reacts accordingly.

    Estrogen is released from the maturing egg follicles in the ovaries during the first part of your cycle. If your follicles are not mature, your body does not "want" to ovulate and risk popping out an immature egg. So this lack of estrogen triggers a rise in GNRH that in turn stimulates FSH (follicle-stimulating-hormone, the hormone that makes eggs develop and mature). This increase in FSH will hopefully induce or improve ovulation.

    NOTE - if you are not ovulating due to high FSH levels (age or premature ovarian failure), soy is not going to help you and in fact may make matters worse. You will most likely need to see a doctor and progress to stronger infertility drugs. However, soy is cheap so you may want to give it a try if you have not been diagnosed with high FSH levels.

    HOW DO WE TAKE SOY ISOFLAVONES FOR BEST RESULTS??

    Since you need a certain level of estrogen to trigger your LH surge (luteinizing hormone, which signals the egg that it is time to burst out of its follicle), timing is everything when taking soy. You want to take it for long enough and early enough in your cycle to up the FSH and make eggs develop, but not for too long to overly inhibit the estrogen (bad for your uterine lining and it will screw up your LH surge).

    SERMs like Clomid and soy iso are most effective when taken for about five days towards the start of the cycle - the first day of your period is CD (cycle day) 1. Best results are seen when 100-200 mg (taken ALL at once) are taken on CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9. Most people choose to take it on days 3-7. Taking soy on days 1-5 may yield more eggs and an earlier ovulation, however you run the risk that some or even all of these eggs may not be optimally mature. Days 2-6 may yield more eggs than usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature. (If you're trying for twins you will want to take the soy beginning either CD 1 or CD 2, but you are gambling that some of those eggs will be mature). CD 3-7 is considered the best of both worlds, a few more eggs produced, and with luck, all eggs will be strong & mature. CD 4-8, you will probably produce only one or two eggs of good maturity. CD 5-9 will probably yield one very strong, high quality egg, from those that you already produced on your own. Ovulation will possibly be delayed a few days. You may have problems with your uterine lining being too thin to maintain a pregnancy, so if you have a chemical pregnancy you will want to take the soy earlier in your cycle.

    Take it these days only regardless of when you usually ovulate, even if you have very long cycles take it ONLY on those days. DO NOT take soy iso throughout your cycle. More is not better and in fact it will inhibit ovulation. You may notice that is a higher mg dosage than Clomid typically comes in, but you can't compare the two. It is commonly said that 100mg of soy is roughly equal to 50 mg of Clomid.

    Soy CAN move your ovulation and this may be a good thing for getting pregnant and/or swaying for a particular gender, so don't despair if your ovulation is irregular. You will want to be either temp charting or taking OPK's regularly to help you pinpoint O. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...highlight=opks
    http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ertility+signs

    IF you are swaying for pink, you may find that soy isoflavones give you more EWCM than normal. It is critically important to your sway that you take an antihistamine to reduce your CM http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...=antihistamine

    IF you are swaying for boy, you may find that soy helps you produce EWCM, but if it doesn't or if it makes you drier than normal, consider taking Robitussin or Mucinex to improve your CM. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ght=robitussin

    Some people may choose to take baby aspirin to improve their uterine lining and make it more likely that an egg will implant.

    SHOULD DH TAKE SOY ISOFLAVONES? For a girl, having DH eat or take low levels of soy isoflavones (aim for 20 - 60 mg a day, diet and supps combined) is a good idea and may help lower his testosterone and sperm count.

    For a boy, DH should NOT take or eat soy.

    WHAT SHOULD I AVOID WHILE TAKING SOY?? Don't take soy while pregnant or breastfeeding (some exceptions apply to the breastfeeding so if you are wanting to use soy and are BF, let me know and I can help you do it safely), if you have ever had breast cancer or have a family history of breast cancer, if you have thyroid problems, and if you are eating a very low iodine (low sodium) diet, you should try to get pregnant as quickly as possible to limit the amount of time you are taking the soy.

    You should not mix soy with Clomid (or any fertility drug), vitex, evening primrose oil, large amounts of peppermint tea, saw palmetto, licorice, red clover, dong quai, flaxseed, cohosh, Agave root, black currant, black haw, cramp bark, devil's club root, false unicorn root, ginseng root, groundsel herb, liferoot herb, motherwort herb, peony root, raspberry leaves, rose family plants (most parts), sage leaves, sarsaparilla root, wild yam root, yarrow blossoms.
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    Atomic..... so since I am on soy (can't o on my own) and ttc a girl, should i continue to take calcium (1000 mg) and magnesium (500 mg) supplements daily if the soy will just "cancel" it?

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    OH I'm so sorry I just saw this!

    Yes, you can continue to take those supplements. In fact you should just for purposes of your own health, because the soy will def. cause some of them to be excreted from your body.
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    What will happen if you take soy and EPO together?

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    They may be less effective. Nothing dire.
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    So what can I take to get pregnant with twin boys (lol)? I would LOVE twin boys!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexis2007 View Post
    So what can I take to get pregnant with twin boys (lol)? I would LOVE twin boys!!!
    me too!

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    Check out this essay and thread if you're interested in swaying for twins. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...nceiving-twins!
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    I took a lot of soy isoflavones when I was ttc DD4 . Just want to say no way I take soy again.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flava View Post
    I took a lot of soy isoflavones when I was ttc DD4 . Just want to say no way I take soy again.
    Thank you for sharing your experiences, very helpful!!
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