TTC Girl after Two boys - with PCOS and short timeframe for prep!

[atomic sagebrush]

Well...I don't think 2 cycles of 34 days bears out that you aren't ovulating at all but hey, if it got you the Clomid, excellent.

I would not have DH do abstain. It hasn't worked anyway and really cuts odds of conception. Let's have him do regular release every 2-4 days starting right away, and keep the one attempt for the first month.

Drop soy after next month if BFN.

[Taz]

Hi atomic

a quick update and some advice please!

So this is the 4th month of TTC pink and its my last round of clomid that I have before going back to the specialist.

my OPK changes every month which is confusing but has gone from only showing pos for 12 hours and then ovulation to this month where I am on day 3 now of pos OPK - We dtd at the first pos OPK as to not miss the window. Should we throw in another attempt tomorrow on day 4 regardless of OPK or not? I have a feeling I might ovulate today and have a temp rise tomorrow as my temp was still low this am and still showing pos OPK. I dont want to throw in another attempt too soon and run the risk of swaying blue.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer!

[atomic sagebrush]

YES please have another attempt. The rules change after you've been on Clomid for a while. I also want you to continue having attempts every 4th day from here on in (so today if you didn't yesterday, and then again Thursday, and carry on with this until you get your next AF in case your ovulation is delayed longer than you realize.)

Next month, even if you don't get more Clomid, it does still sway pink the month after (via some mechanism that we do not even understand) and that month I want you to start having sex every 4th day starting after AF ends and continuing on till you're certain you have ovulated, even if it means going on till next AF starts!

We very well may just be missing O with one attempt. Let's start doing every 4th day attempts!

[Taz]

Thank you Atomic,

So I didn't manage to get in a second attempt - I ovulated before I got your reply. But after re looking at everything it wasn't too many days. Here is what happened.

Sat - neg OPK
Sun - 1am Pos OPK - DTD
Mon - 12 pos OPK, 10pm Neg OPK

So I must have ovulated Monday afternoon/evening. I was thinking it had been an extra day as the 1am time confused me and I was counting that as saturday at first.

So if this time doesn't work I will go with every 4 days next round. is there anything else we should be doing/not doing considering that it hasn't happened yet?

Also I haven't lost any weight. I have definitely lost muscle mass since stopping doing weights 3-4 months ago. I walk daily and have gone vegetarian/vegan(not strict) but I am not losing any weight. I have always struggled to get lower than the weight I currently am. I am 70kg last time I checked and 172cm tall.

Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Ladies, when in doubt, ATTEMPT. Do not ever wait for a reply from me because unless you're a custom swayer I cannot guarantee response within a day or two. only exception being if this is only your first month or two TTC, but when on fertility medication always err on the side of attempting.

You can't tell when you ovulated based on when your OPK go negative. That isn't how it works. The OPK actually tell you nothing directly about ovulation, they measure a hormone in your urine that signals your body to ovulate but the hormone is not directly correlated to anything happening to the egg. It's like if someone has a message and they can either tell the person right away and then leave, or stand there for 3 days saying the message again and again - either way the person got the message right at the start. Sometimes it just takes your body longer to clear that hormone from your system and that makes the test stay positive for longer.

Yes let's go to e4d now, are you doing anything else like jelly, j and d, or shallow release?? Or antihistamine? Anything for DH?

As long as you're walking it's all good. You may want to up protein to 50-60 g and fat to 50-60 g and cut refined carbs in favor of whole grains and fruit and veg.

[Taz]

Sorry I should have added that I knew I Od as I had a temp rise as well. I track everything so can usually tell which day it was so it was most likely monday at some point as I had the temp rise tues morning.

I take antihistamines for my hay fever if and when I need them. I didn't take them as regularly this cycle, especially over my fertile window but I did have a few.

I am doing shallow release and no O.

no more jellies

magnesium and folic acid

no breakfast

the only time I have ever been able to drop below this weight is when i had acupuncture to get pregnant with my last son. the weight fell off but I am leaving acupuncture as a last resort as the increased fertility will likely sway blue? This is my plateaud weight where I kinda stay stuck at no matter what.

Hubby has also gone vegetarian, other than that he's not doing anything. He exercises regularly and does a lot of weights too but he refuses to stop that. He trains at least once a day. Ive bought soy milk but he's not good at having that every day! we did a 6/7 day abstinence this cycle.

So can you please clarify with the frequency. every 4 days still gets only one attempt in the window is that right?

How many attempts starts to sway blue?

Thank you

[atomic sagebrush]

Ditch shallow release. It has never been proven to sway and is one thing I have seen again and again prohibiting conception for people.

Yes I'd not go the acupuncture route. I would still suggest upping protein and fat and switching to healthier carbs to see if it helps.

Most of our husbands would do nothing so if yours has gone veg, that's great.

Yes, e4d is still only one attempt in the fertile window really. The reason for this is because even in the worst case scenario of O-3 and O Day, if there's anything left from the earlier attempt, it will fertilize the egg before the O Day shot can capacitate and make it to the egg, and if there isn't, then the O Day shot will have a chance.

Our success rates used to have a clear demarcation between one attempt (70-75%) 2 attempts (60-65%) and three attempts (all the way down into the low 40's) As more people, including those who were not doing otherwise good sways, started doing the one attempt, its success has fallen into the high 60's, still better than 2 attempts but it's not as clear cut as it was. I still think one attempt is better than two, but this has gotten lost as more people have used it (which often happens). The important thing is, don't have three!

[Taz]

Hello Atomic - I just wanted to flick you a quick update to say that I am 8 weeks pregnant. that one attempt worked! Feeling like shit but happy to be pregnant. The anxiety over what the sex will be is always in the back of my mind but I am just trying to get through each day with feeling crap all day long. I forgot how tough the first few months are (a constant hangover!)

Anyway I just wanted to thank you for all your help and fingers crossed for a pink little bean in there!

[atomic sagebrush]

Huge congrats, Taz!! Ugh I know I think back sometimes on MS and wonder how I did that 5x. Hang in there!!

[Girlswaylondon]

First of all congrats!! Always love reading especially fellow pcosers get their bfp!!

Sorry to post bomb but your earlier post said your cycle was 35 days which means you wasn't ovulating, I'm confused my cycles are clock work 35 day cycles I thought I was still ovulating? I usually get pos opk day 19-22