When do YOU count CD1

[squigglepink]

Yes, they spotted fibroids.. Im bleeding again. Sigh! Seeing someone tmw so hope its nothing too serious.

Thanks for your advise

[atomic sagebrush]

please keep us posted!! It is possibly from the fibroids.

[squigglepink]

Hi, ok update:
He did internal US and lining is thin and regular - and according to Gynae pretty much on par with that of one who is menstruating/end of. He found no trace of any fibroids. He pointed out follicles on the right ovary but battled to get a clear pic of left ovary but said all ok and nothing sinister going on. He cannot explain the spotting/irregular bleeding but mentioned it could be something to do with my ovulation. I told him id had bloods and the results indicated my progesterone levels meant i had ovulated and he said that is an old way of detecting ovulation and it doesnt always mean that we have infact ovulated (Great!)

His only solution for my cycle/irregularity - were hormones/contraception but, as he stated, not helpful if im trying to conceive. He wont refer me to a fertility specialist as we have not been actively trying for 2 years. And it was a categorical NO for clomid (thought id take a chance
He recommended (due to being 40) chucking the OPK's and regular BD once/twice per week. Healthy diet, exercise and Folic Acid.

Im going to however, use OPK's (just because i have them) and also because of the bleeding/spotting ive had this cycle and im perplexed as to what is going on. Currently CD10 and as per the US - menstruating (still/again). (remember i started off spotting then full flow then stopped then spotted then full flow again) So that puts me where i am today and i dont know when this current bleed will end. So, once it does i think we will do the E4d and i will just keep a tab on whats going on by doing the OPK's.

And dare i mention the word Vitex??

[atomic sagebrush]

LOL ok whatever he says ???? (places all around the world still using that method for determining ovulation)

Yes keep going with e4d. Use OPK if you want but I agree they're not necessary.

It is criminal not to refer a 40 year old woman for fertility treatment before 2 years. Absolutely criminal. I'm really sorry that is completely out of line and NOT the standard of care in any nation of which I'm aware. We do have chronic probs with docs in the UK hesitating to intervene with fertility struggles, but 2 years is NOT standard at all for ANY woman particularly at age 40. You should be referred SOONER at 40, more like 3-6 months.

Do NOT touch vitex with a 10 foot pole. That will be throwing gasoline on the fire, it will make matters worse if your hormones are lowered and that is what is causing this (which is what it appears to be to me)

So what was the explanation as to why one doctor had seen fibroids and another has not?

[squigglepink]

Yea, that's what i thought - if its a redundant test why send me for one?! I had to wait aaages to get that appointment yesterday. (I could have had a baby in the meantime)... He said ive got two children already so i am capable (yeah - sort of!) And clomid he said maybe in another country but i will very unlikely get it here (whilst emphasising my age and fertility decline)

So im over this whole debacle and we are going private. Ill be going on my own mission now..

The Fibroids were spotted and pointed out to me during hysteroscopy. This dude who did the internal yesterday said no sign of fibroids.. So should i go for another US to like tripple confirm? Sigh..

[atomic sagebrush]

Now that is a fact - for some reason in the UK they are really miserly with the fertility treatments and people who would be given assistance in US or Oz or any other country in Europe are left totally hanging, it's really frustrating. WE used to be able to get medication for our Brits in Spain but someone told me they couldn't get it the other day so now I'm no longer sure that's doable. :/

I wouldn't even worry about the fibroids. Something that actually IS falling out of favor is being very aggressive in treating fibroids and if they're there, they may not even need to be treated (most don't need to be) and as many as 70% of women will have them by the time they get to my age. For all we know, being low estrogen has shrunken them anyway (we can hope!) and this may be God/the universe's way of helping us out.

[LaReine]

Bright red spotting I count, pink/brown I do not


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[squigglepink]

Now that is a fact - for some reason in the UK they are really miserly with the fertility treatments and people who would be given assistance in US or Oz or any other country in Europe are left totally hanging, it's really frustrating. WE used to be able to get medication for our Brits in Spain but someone told me they couldn't get it the other day so now I'm no longer sure that's doable. :/

I wouldn't even worry about the fibroids. Something that actually IS falling out of favor is being very aggressive in treating fibroids and if they're there, they may not even need to be treated (most don't need to be) and as many as 70% of women will have them by the time they get to my age. For all we know, being low estrogen has shrunken them anyway (we can hope!) and this may be God/the universe's way of helping us out.

Ok good ill let that ship sail then..

I might do a last last last doctor visit and ask for help, i.e clomid etc.. Will see how this cycle goes and how much luck we will have ttc whilst camping!! Happy days!

[Pink rose]

Hi squiggle pink in the U.K. You can get 2 months of clomid from the oxford pharmacy online and your gp doesn't need to know about it. You just fill out a questionnaire with all your details and they post it to you. I think it's cots around £50 maybe you could look into it.

[squigglepink]

Thanks, is it legit?! Id be so worried im taking something dodgy! ill look in to that, thank you x